It has come to our notice from various centers from where none
of the students selected that OMR given to them for NSEJS was wrong one. In the
NSEJS OMR no where the classes 9 and 10 was mentioned, there was fields only
for class 11 and 12. IAPT should know that in class 11 and 12 students were not
even eligible to NSEJS. This has created utter confusion on the examination day.
i have been selected for NSEJS but in that also Class 11 and 12 were printed. We have just cut it and written class 9. IAPT should take care about these things.
ReplyDeleteAnother mismanagement incident, 2 students with same rollno. I.e dl-041-0341.have been declared selected in the official iapt result sheet. Also another 2 students again with same roll no. I.e dl-144-2240 again have been declared selected. both these incidence are of nsec result sheet , one can download it and verify the same. Both these 2 centres are also fiitjee associate schools.while I secured 210 in nsec, 140 in nsep and 196 on nsea has been denied selection (acc. to iapt key) . This year this exam has been conducted with grave
ReplyDeletemismanagement. so exam must be reconducted or intake of students in each stream must increase by 1000-2000. So I request all our seniors to help hundreds of students like me in saving the future of our country so that we don't grow up in our country in great despair and helplessness.
Yes, I agree with you. Intake must be increased or paper be reconducted
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DeleteProf. Vijay Singh
ReplyDeleteNational Co-ordinator
Science Olympiads
Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education (TIFR)
V.N. Purav Marg, Mankhurd
Mumbai - 400 088.
Dear Sir,
Thank you so much and been very kind and understanding. I appreciate that.
But the purpose of conducting the olympiads is being defeated if the deserving students are filtered out during the initial stage itself.
IAPT is a joke and I am very sorry to say this. I was told by Prof Oglapurkar very reluctantly after your persuasion two numbers. One is the cutoff for Andhra Prdesh which he said is 150 and my son Nagam Lahari Teja's marks which are 139.
As per the key declared on IAPT website he and his teachers sincerely believe that he would score 172. I am not taking it personally or do I have any grudge on anybody. If he does not qualify, so be it. However I do not want my son or any other kid to grow with a feeling of helplessness and in perpetual anger.
I am requesting you and Prof.Oglapurkar to allow me to verify his OMR sheet so that we can conclude this matter once and for all. I hope you are aware of the fact that by law every student has right to know his marks.
What is stopping me from taking a legal course of action is that would first result in a stay order on the entire selection process and that would harm the interest students who already made it to the selection list unless it is really flawed. If I have no other option left then ofcourse as last measure I will have to take that course. I once again humbly request you to look at issue from our perspective also for a while and decide appropriately. As far as my understanding "The pro gramme is financially supported by Government of India, in particular, by Board of Nuclear Sciences (Department of Atomic Energy), Department of Science and Technology, Department of Space and Ministry of Human Resource Development."(This is an extract from HBCSE website). Hence comes under the perview of RTI act and every high court has jurisdiction over the process and grievances. So transparency is mandatory and I am requesting nothing but transparency.
Thanks & Regards
Dr.Sai Murali
I was checkinh the iapt website. In it they have uploaded an extended list of selected students.
Deleteand also the cutoffs have been declared for all states.
The program is not funded by Govt at stage 1, which is mere filtration process, The following part where HBCSE take exam is what you just said here.
Deletealso this is highly influenced by one or the other coaching institutes, especially when iapt appoints coordinators, they are not even the physics teachers and even IAPT cannot penalize them for wrongful activities done by them.
As far as I understand IAPT people are doing hard homework to avoid last year problem but they could only reduce the same if not make it problem proof.
This is quite a relief that they have given key, number of students from states, cutoff's etc which were not there till last years..
even I also feel some problem with the list but feel better
this time then previous years.
regards.
I am not saying this program is not funded by Government of India. IAPT in an incometax case submitted the court that theese exams are conducted for Government.
DeleteThese are the subnissions of IAPT to the Honoroble Court
"7.2 It was pointed out that all the above examinations had not been started by the assessee, rather the assessee was requested every time by the Director, Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education (HBCSE ) Mumbai, to organize / conduct the examination ( NSE). The Director HBCSE is ex officio Convener of National Steering Committee (NSC), which is appointed 7 by the Govt. of India to look after the entire Olympiad programme in the country. Thus all these exams except NSEP are under instructions from - in a way- Govt. of India."
This is the verbatim submission by IAPT. For the entire proceedings and judgement look up this link.
http://indiankanoon.org/doc/188445467/
They also make a substantial profit for the voluntary efforts.
Am highly impressed, great home work.
DeleteYou have said what I meant in my reply, similar version is meant in verdict,
I hope and wish your son in your guidance will sure get a great future,
regards
Dr Rajkumar
Dear All,
ReplyDeleteOn 11 December I have reached Pune all the way from Nellore in Andhra Pradesh. After umpteen no of phone calls to Prof. Vijay Sing the National Co ordinater for Olympiads and pleading for mercy he ultimately agreed to allow me see the OMR sheet in person at IAPT office as a special consideration(God only knows why I was given the special privilege). After confirming with Prof Oglapurkar ( He warned me that this is all un official and he is doing it only because he was instructed by Prof. Vijay Sing and it is against the policy of IAPT) I made my travel arrangements to Pune.
At about 2.30PM i have reached IAPT office. Can you believe it? I was searched and my Mobile,Laptop was taken away by thug before letting me into a small sparsely furnished room where Prof.Oglapurkar was holding court.
After curt and brief introductions he lectured about the divine work that is being done by IAPT and its history for about 20 minutes. Then he tossed a xeroxed OMR sheet on to my face and told me to check it. He told me there are 4 different sets of question papers with the same questions but in different order. Lahari Teja's Question paper was from D set. The key displayed on the website is of set A. So he told me a key of QP SET D is different and gave it to me.
He explained Lahari Teja has answered 52 questions correctly which gives him a positive score of 156, left 9 questions un answered which will not have any effect on his score, and 17 wrong answers which would give him 17 negative marks and in all the total adds up to 139 which is way below the cut off of 150 for Andhra Pradesh. I started to believe all this and was about to really appreciate the meticulous work done by this close to 80 years old Professor. Then I SAW a word "DELETD" written with a pencil on the key. Then I pointed out the same to the Professor and asked him to explain that. He looked a little uneasy and told me that after the key was displayed on the web site there was few objections from some people and hence he deleted 4 questions, and for 2 questions he two options were considered right options. At that point the key and the answer sheet was taken away from and he became very hostile. I have once again requested him to let me check the OMR sheet with this new information. He refused. I asked why the changes in the key were not updated in the website. Some vague answers which I guess even he could not understand. And all of a sudden he said he has another appointment and asked me to leave.
What am I supposed to do friends?
I gave up. Shrugged off and returned with a satisfaction that at least my son surely must have made it. 6 questins were in dispute even if 3 were in his favor he would have made it. And there is no evidence that the real cut off is 150. And he is not willing to declare marks of the selected candidates.
How does it look to you all??? At least I believe IAPT is a scam. Whole world has seen last year what happend and there is not even an ounce of guilt or concern for students. Secrecy is what they preach which smells nothing but a scam.
I have voice records of all telephone conversations I have had with IAPT and HBCSE and also recorded the in-room conversation I have had with Professor Oglapurkar. We have have a very strong reason to move the court for justice to children. But if we take that course that would stall the selection process and add pressure on selected children and their performance in the next stages. My son or the other kids, I wouldn't do anything to harm anybody.
I only make an appeal to whoever is responsible for thees Olympiads. Please, for the sake of children whose enthusiasm is unparalleled do not demoralize them. Dint give such an important task to organizations like IAPT which close knit secret societies and claim that they are unquestionable in any way in any matter pertaining to what they do. That does not augur well with HBCSE in particular and these Olympiads in general.
Thanks & Regards
Dr.Sai Murali
Disclosing here that you have recorded all the conversations here which I personally do not feel is helpful to you or anybody legally or else, but for sure disclosing "recording" here, you have barred of rest of the people to get their phone calls attended or get an answer like you got ( like looking into OMR etc).
DeleteIt is not easy for any of the parents to go Pune or take legal course for each and every problem we face.
I am sorry for this. I only mean disclosing "Recording" part, rest all was a great help and hard work by you for students. thanks.
Nothing would change these people and I am aware of it Mr. Rajkumar. I am not planning on a legal battle anyway. If only my efforts were on recocilatory tone my boys name would have been in the extended list. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
DeleteYes I do understand and highly respect the same, I do not belong to any organisation or coaching or else, I am an individual and do cos I feel that these are young kids and they cannot save themselves, legally or else, Also there is no one to shout for them; sorry to say but people are busy raising voice on the pretext of some moral or criminal things more than be the voice of these innocent young future of the nation. I understand the pain of these kids and hence wishes to help reduce their pain.
DeleteYou are true, and no one can change them/anybody till it attract some penalty. I am surprised that system is still running smoothly and may be it will keep running the same ways always. Feel sorry about this.
I myself is not into the same,
Happy to know you,
regards,
Dr Rajkumar
And finally my request is dont take my word for facts. Conduct an enquiry and you will know the facts and if possible try to do justice for all the aspirants.
ReplyDeleteThanks & Regards
Dr.Sai Murali
SURPRISE! SURPRISE! SURPRISE! IAPT has finally declared cut off marks and top scores for each state. Possibly after our collective scuffle with the great Professor. I am very sure Professor must have done a splendid job in completely covering up their tracks. Look at the results. You will find a funny pattern. The top score and the highest cut off and largest pool of selections are from AP. In fact AP cut off is higher than top score of many states. And don't imagine all of AP stundents are brilliant. 92% of the selections in AP are from just 3 centers. These three centers collectivly raised the bar so high for rest of AP and for rest of India aswell. All the manifestations of a conspiracy theory. And there is no mention yet abot the changes made in the key. Dont you all think we are missing out some thing? The question which has not been answered are
ReplyDelete1. Why this sudden change of heart? You were vehemently opposing to come out with this till yesterday. All of us are aware that you were refusing this very information.
2. Why don't you declare marks of all selected candidates?
3. Why dindt you disclose the revised key?
4. When will you publish the top 1% list and cut off for that?
Anyway it is a very good sign that you have heard and has come up with some info. Many thanks and congratulations. Hope our only wish of complete transparency in conducting,evaluating and declaring the selection process would be granted in the very near future.
Warm Regards
Sai Murali
olympiad 1st level should be conducted in the way kvpy first stage is conducted. Independent schools sholuld not be allowed as centres bcoz these are the places which give rise to all the corruption.
DeleteThat would be the best way otherwise the reputation of Olympiads will be in doldrums. Alternatively for this year an extended list top 1% of students after proportionl and minimal representation cluses are fulfilled should be allowed to appear for 2nd stage.
DeleteAtlast relief... ! Four selectiond from Kota! Two from resonance and two from allen! Few steps for transparency has been taken. Need more steps to be taken by the IAPT
ReplyDeletemarks as usual never known to students at the center
ReplyDeleteIapt 2015 question paper code is P198 but omr had circles to darken only till 6 digits.we were forced to leave last digits blank......this is height of carelessness
ReplyDeleteMAS declared for NSEP,NSEC and NSEA 2015 does not include the result of about 3000 students from entire Indore city. This is really a height of the negligence being done by IAPT,Pune every year. This sort of activity is being done deliberately by IAPT personal as they consider them selves as GOD of olympiad. They are so careless in their work that they donot consider the urge of any applicant for reevaluation. I think HBCSE and TIFR should come forward to conduct the exam directly. Why they are assigning these worthless fellow like IAPT who are playing with the future of budding talents. IAPT fellow are wasting public money for their vested interest.
ReplyDeleteMAS declared for NSEP,NSEC and NSEA 2015 does not include the result of about 3000 students from entire Indore city. This is really a height of the negligence being done by IAPT,Pune every year. This sort of activity is being done deliberately by IAPT personal as they consider them selves as GOD of olympiad. They are so careless in their work that they donot consider the urge of any applicant for reevaluation. I think HBCSE and TIFR should come forward to conduct the exam directly. Why they are assigning these worthless fellow like IAPT who are playing with the future of budding talents. IAPT fellow are wasting public money for their vested interest.
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